Well Clockwork since you just can't resist let me restate my position (you have continually mischaracterized it. I never, for example, have said anything about the "cleanliness" of immigrants and I have never said with respect to all immigrants "don't let them in")

We should secure the border under terms that we dictate. THAT has been my position all along! When I say we should "shut that border down" I mean we should CONTROL who comes across NOT that we shouldn't allow anyone across. I have NO PROBLEM with someone who wants to come here legally and work. And if they want to stay then they should learn english and assimilate into this great country.

I don't see how it is a "self-serving solution based on fear" to suggest that those who wish to immigrate to this country OBEY THE FUCKING LAW!! I have no "personal" stake in this matter (i.e. I'm not a "coyote" or an American small businessman being put out of work). I won't profit either way. But I do have an interest in leaving a decent country to my children and the last time I check this was still America and we still have the right to express our opinions.

Clockwork then asks Mikael "That's a surprisingly one-sided view for you, Mikael. What about the folks who want to be a part of a "free" society and are willing to pay their dues to meet that goal?"

Clockwork, one "pays one's dues" by coming here LEGALLY. Yes, it is a long laborious process and I'm sure there are things that could be done to improve and speed up the process (If we really NEED all these foreign workers why not expand the VISA program and allow them to come here legally). You can't cut in line in front of all the immigrants who are doing it legally and then talk about having paid your dues!!!

Finally this racist crap. You say you believe it but you are quiet because I bitched about it so much. You know if I were going to call someone a racist I'd at least have ONE STATEMENT of their's that was racist!! I've challenged you at least TWICE now to provide EVEN ONE RACIST statement. So please provide EVEN ONE EXAMPLE of my racism (and no that obvious typo "I don't have Mexicans" doesn't count. Go to page three and the first post where I used the phrase. It was "I don't HATE Mexicans" not "I don't have Mexicans".

So I'm calling you out. Provide even one example of my "racism" or shut the fuck up!!!