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Mikael · 01-13-2008, 04:17 PM

If he didn't know who was writing racist statements in his own newsletter, how is he going to be competent enough to be President?

PITBOSS · 01-13-2008, 10:54 PM

Here's the campaign's official response. Keep in mind this story was on a few MSM channels the night before the NH primary giving Ron Paul no chance to respond until after the primary.

January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement:

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

PITBOSS · 01-14-2008, 12:11 PM

Heres a response from the naacp

NAACP President: Ron Paul Is Not A Racist
Linder says Paul being smeared because he is a threat to the establishment

Paul Joseph Watson

Sunday, January 13, 2008

Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.

Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people.

"Knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that....so I think it's very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that's what I'm hearing," said Linder.

(Article continues below)

"Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he's a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform," he added.

Asked directly if Ron Paul was a racist, Linder responded "No I don't," adding that he had heard Ron Paul speak out about police repression of black communities and mandatory minimum sentences on many occasions.

Dr. Paul has also publicly praised Martin Luther King as his hero on many occasions spanning back 20 years.

"I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy, I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him," said Linder.

"If you scare the folks that have the money, they're going to attack you and they're going to take it out of context," he added.

"What he's saying is really really threatening the powers that be and that's what they fear," concluded the NAACP President.

Mikael · 01-15-2008, 07:56 AM

Thanks for posting that, Pitboss. I'd still feel better about Ron Paul if he could actually prove who wrote that stuff, though.

The Good Reverend, MATCHEW · 01-15-2008, 09:30 AM

Do any of you think that any of the Rep front runners will loose to Obama or Hillary?
I don't.

PITBOSS · 01-15-2008, 03:54 PM

If they team up and run on the same ticket, I think Clinton/Obama got it. Many people see that the Republicans have the country in a mess and will vote Democrat for that reason alone.

Mikael · 01-15-2008, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Good Reverend, MATCHEW

Do any of you think that any of the Rep front runners will loose to Obama or Hillary?
I don't.

It's difficult to say. With all the bad press for Iraq and Bush in 2004, Bush still won. With Dems having a narrow majority in the latest do nothing congress, I hope people don't vote for "change for the sake of change" like they did in 2006.

I'm really hoping Mitt Romney gets the nod. I'm not big on any of the other candidates and I would most likely choose any Dem over them. McCain is great, but the amnesty agenda...not so much.

The Good Reverend, MATCHEW · 01-16-2008, 07:22 AM

this country is not ready for a woman or "african american" president yet.

despite what M TV tells you

wilthrill · 01-16-2008, 08:21 AM

Well I'd have to disagree with that.

Let's put it this way. You have three types of people in this country.

Those who would vote for a candidate they AGREE with who actually had the guts to express their views in public. (Almost every single person I talk to says they are tired of "politicospeak". They want straight answers and they don't want a candidate who modifies his views for public consumption or is ashamed of them.)

Those who would vote for a woman/minority BECAUSE they were a woman/minority.

Those who would vote AGAINST a woman/minority because they were a woman/minority.

I'd submit to you that the first group is the largest in this country. Most people will vote for the competent candidate whom they agree with regardless of race/gender.

So if a party were to run a woman/minority candidate who held the views of most Americans and had the guts to express them in public, the drive-by media be damned, most of the first group would vote for them. All of the 2nd group, by definition, would vote for them and the combination (#1 & #2) would be a majority of the votes cast.

Hillary and Obama's problems are not their gender or race. Their problems are their views which most Americans disagree with. Immigration, health care and taxes are just three examples.

Some people who come to mind as POSSIBLE candidates are JC Watts, Walter Williams, and down the road Condoleeza Rice (she is a little too close to Bush right now and thus would galvanize the "move-on" crowd against her). I'm sure there are many others that I don't know about.

The Good Reverend, MATCHEW · 01-16-2008, 08:57 AM

you talk as if the "vote" matters. lol

there's too many a' good ole boy running this country behind the curtain.
i'll be "damned" if one of them wins.
it will shock the hell out of me in other words.

i think mitt has the big $ companies behind him.
can you say.....campaign contributions?

with that said.
i still like mitt.

01-13-2008, 04:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
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01-15-2008, 07:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 43	Thanks for posting that, Pitboss. I'd still feel better about Ron Paul if he could actually prove who wrote that stuff, though. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

01-15-2008, 09:30 AM	#15 (permalink)
The Good Reverend, MATCHEW Agent Jones, at your service. GCB Senior Citizen Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ocean Springs, MS Posts: 2,356 Rep Power: 32	Do any of you think that any of the Rep front runners will loose to Obama or Hillary? I don't. __________________ www.Ko-Lija.com www.MySpace.com/KoLija www.MySpace.com/OSMUSICFEST

01-16-2008, 07:22 AM	#18 (permalink)
The Good Reverend, MATCHEW Agent Jones, at your service. GCB Senior Citizen Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ocean Springs, MS Posts: 2,356 Rep Power: 32	this country is not ready for a woman or "african american" president yet. despite what M TV tells you __________________ www.Ko-Lija.com www.MySpace.com/KoLija www.MySpace.com/OSMUSICFEST

01-16-2008, 08:57 AM	#20 (permalink)
The Good Reverend, MATCHEW Agent Jones, at your service. GCB Senior Citizen Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ocean Springs, MS Posts: 2,356 Rep Power: 32	conspiracy theory? you talk as if the "vote" matters. lol there's too many a' good ole boy running this country behind the curtain. i'll be "damned" if one of them wins. it will shock the hell out of me in other words. i think mitt has the big $ companies behind him. can you say.....campaign contributions? with that said. i still like mitt. __________________ www.Ko-Lija.com www.MySpace.com/KoLija www.MySpace.com/OSMUSICFEST Last edited by The Good Reverend, MATCHEW; 01-16-2008 at 09:02 AM.

01-13-2008, 10:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
PITBOSS Band Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 286 Rep Power: 39	Here's the campaign's official response. Keep in mind this story was on a few MSM channels the night before the NH primary giving Ron Paul no chance to respond until after the primary. January 8, 2008 5:28 am EST ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA – In response to an article published by The New Republic, Ron Paul issued the following statement: “The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts. “In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’ “This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary. “When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”

01-14-2008, 12:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
PITBOSS Band Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 286 Rep Power: 39	Heres a response from the naacp NAACP President: Ron Paul Is Not A Racist Linder says Paul being smeared because he is a threat to the establishment Paul Joseph Watson Sunday, January 13, 2008 Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment. Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people. "Knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that....so I think it's very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that's what I'm hearing," said Linder. (Article continues below) "Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he's a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform," he added. Asked directly if Ron Paul was a racist, Linder responded "No I don't," adding that he had heard Ron Paul speak out about police repression of black communities and mandatory minimum sentences on many occasions. Dr. Paul has also publicly praised Martin Luther King as his hero on many occasions spanning back 20 years. "I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy, I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him," said Linder. "If you scare the folks that have the money, they're going to attack you and they're going to take it out of context," he added. "What he's saying is really really threatening the powers that be and that's what they fear," concluded the NAACP President.

01-15-2008, 03:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
PITBOSS Band Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 286 Rep Power: 39	If they team up and run on the same ticket, I think Clinton/Obama got it. Many people see that the Republicans have the country in a mess and will vote Democrat for that reason alone.

01-16-2008, 08:21 AM	#19 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 818 Rep Power: 44	Well I'd have to disagree with that. Let's put it this way. You have three types of people in this country. Those who would vote for a candidate they AGREE with who actually had the guts to express their views in public. (Almost every single person I talk to says they are tired of "politicospeak". They want straight answers and they don't want a candidate who modifies his views for public consumption or is ashamed of them.) Those who would vote for a woman/minority BECAUSE they were a woman/minority. Those who would vote AGAINST a woman/minority because they were a woman/minority. I'd submit to you that the first group is the largest in this country. Most people will vote for the competent candidate whom they agree with regardless of race/gender. So if a party were to run a woman/minority candidate who held the views of most Americans and had the guts to express them in public, the drive-by media be damned, most of the first group would vote for them. All of the 2nd group, by definition, would vote for them and the combination (#1 & #2) would be a majority of the votes cast. Hillary and Obama's problems are not their gender or race. Their problems are their views which most Americans disagree with. Immigration, health care and taxes are just three examples. Some people who come to mind as POSSIBLE candidates are JC Watts, Walter Williams, and down the road Condoleeza Rice (she is a little too close to Bush right now and thus would galvanize the "move-on" crowd against her). I'm sure there are many others that I don't know about.