Abortion Doesn't Decrease Crime

wilthrill · 04-11-2008, 10:05 AM

http://www.lifenews.com/int692.html

John Donohue and Steven Levitt had done a study in 2001 saying that legalized abortion reduced crime. The article above talks about a few studies that contradict that.

My question is, how desperately must you love ABORTION/DEATH to argue that it reduces crime? This isn't intended to debate abortion. It is intended to point out the shear lunacy of one who would support abortion by arguing, "well killing babies reduces crime".

I mean hell why stop at killing babies? We could kill roughly ten million people in LA and do a bang up job of reducing crime there. I could kill roughly 250 million or so people in the US and bring crime to near extinction in the US.

But of course all of this ignores the CRIME involved in killing all those people!!!!!!!!

ssspert · 04-11-2008, 11:39 AM

Just issue everyone in L.A. (or any major city) uzzies, and they would kill each other off.

PITBOSS · 04-16-2008, 12:00 AM

The women having abortions are probably middle class or better, so as not to screw up their lives at a young age.

My guess is that the ones that are most likely to be future criminals will be born, because when you're on welfare another baby is basically a pay raise.

wilthrill · 04-16-2008, 08:40 AM

Well one COULD debate if killing babies reduces crime and I'm sure SOME could even swear it does.

But even if it did, the "solution" is MORE CRIMINAL than the crime it seeks to prevent!!!!!!!

For example, I'm sure the crime rates in the Warsaw ghetto went down dramatically AFTER the Nazis MASSACRED all the jews there (not because jews are any more criminal than non-jews but because there were so many FEWER PEOPLE left to commit crimes).

ambergirl · 04-16-2008, 03:51 PM

I agree with Wil. Abortion is just killing a baby. What is a baby gonna do to commit a crime. Nothing until they are old enough to walk or so. So if murdering an unborn baby isn't wrong why is killing a 5 year old so wrong in there eyes?? I don't condone the killing of anyone just making a statement for the sake of thought.

PITBOSS · 04-17-2008, 12:43 AM

Well, it depends on how you look at this stuff, a guy pulls out...... he may have just murdered a baby in some eyes.
I still think the people who cannot afford, and do not care for their children have the most due to the incentives provided by our govt, which is what they probably had in mind in the original study.

I'm pro choice myself, we need to keep all the liberties we have left at this point.

wilthrill · 04-17-2008, 11:14 AM

What about the most precious of those liberties, the right to LIFE???

You know at the risk of igniting yet another debate about abortion I would think that we ALL could agree that a child one day old is dependent on his mother for life but the child has a right to life. DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT???

I'd also think that if the above is true then a viable fetus (one capable of living outside the mother) would also have a right to life.

So just looking at that I would conclude that the debate would be confined to fetuses that have not reached viability.

And yet it is not!!!

Somehow many in this country have accepted the idea that up until that fetus passes out of the mother (and in some cases not until the fetus is TOTALLY OUTSIDE of the mother) it is ok to kill it.

Now obviously , I disagree with that. And though I don't understand the other side's "logic", I DO understand why they would argue it.

Now on my side of the debate I don't understand those who would argue that a man pulling out just murdered a baby. The "baby" was NEVER formed. There is NOTHING to "murder" at that point. I mean that is so weak I could use the same "logic" to decry as murderers EVERY female who has refused to have sex with me.

On the other side of the debate, I don't understand is WHY anyone would attempt to justify abortion by saying, "killing babies cuts down on crime."
That is just an incredibly weak-assed argument and shows an incredible MISUNDERSTANDING of LIFE and CRIME!!!

ambergirl · 04-17-2008, 06:16 PM

I don't think abortion is right at anytime. But that is just me. And a partial birth abortion is even worse. You've already gone all the way thru the pregnancy, if you cant take care of the baby put it up for adoption. There are plenty of people out there that can't have kids that would love to have one.People are just to darn selfish these days.

Razz · 04-21-2008, 07:30 AM

I won't debate abortion itself. I am Pro Choice. Period.

As far as the arguement that abortion is a form of crime control is pretty stupid. I can somewhat understand what they were trying to prove however they obviously didn't think it throug completly.

04-11-2008, 10:05 AM	#1 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 42	Abortion Doesn't Decrease Crime http://www.lifenews.com/int692.html John Donohue and Steven Levitt had done a study in 2001 saying that legalized abortion reduced crime. The article above talks about a few studies that contradict that. My question is, how desperately must you love ABORTION/DEATH to argue that it reduces crime? This isn't intended to debate abortion. It is intended to point out the shear lunacy of one who would support abortion by arguing, "well killing babies reduces crime". I mean hell why stop at killing babies? We could kill roughly ten million people in LA and do a bang up job of reducing crime there. I could kill roughly 250 million or so people in the US and bring crime to near extinction in the US. But of course all of this ignores the CRIME involved in killing all those people!!!!!!!!

04-11-2008, 11:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
ssspert Band Member Productive GCB Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: wemo Posts: 1,281 Rep Power: 9	Just issue everyone in L.A. (or any major city) uzzies, and they would kill each other off. __________________ Straight Shots Myspace page My Myspace Bass page email ME for Straight Shot booking information. GULF COAST MUSIC MAGAZINE If we were all the same it would be a boring world!

04-16-2008, 03:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
ambergirl Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Escatawpa, MS Age: 29 Posts: 1,869 Rep Power: 43	I agree with Wil. Abortion is just killing a baby. What is a baby gonna do to commit a crime. Nothing until they are old enough to walk or so. So if murdering an unborn baby isn't wrong why is killing a 5 year old so wrong in there eyes?? I don't condone the killing of anyone just making a statement for the sake of thought. __________________ You've Got Questions. We've Got Ambergirl. www.myspace.com/pajamasakapj

04-17-2008, 06:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
ambergirl Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Escatawpa, MS Age: 29 Posts: 1,869 Rep Power: 43	I don't think abortion is right at anytime. But that is just me. And a partial birth abortion is even worse. You've already gone all the way thru the pregnancy, if you cant take care of the baby put it up for adoption. There are plenty of people out there that can't have kids that would love to have one.People are just to darn selfish these days. __________________ You've Got Questions. We've Got Ambergirl. www.myspace.com/pajamasakapj

04-16-2008, 12:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
PITBOSS Screamo for Emo Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 244 Rep Power: 37	The women having abortions are probably middle class or better, so as not to screw up their lives at a young age. My guess is that the ones that are most likely to be future criminals will be born, because when you're on welfare another baby is basically a pay raise.

04-16-2008, 08:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 42	Well one COULD debate if killing babies reduces crime and I'm sure SOME could even swear it does. But even if it did, the "solution" is MORE CRIMINAL than the crime it seeks to prevent!!!!!!! For example, I'm sure the crime rates in the Warsaw ghetto went down dramatically AFTER the Nazis MASSACRED all the jews there (not because jews are any more criminal than non-jews but because there were so many FEWER PEOPLE left to commit crimes).

04-17-2008, 12:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
PITBOSS Screamo for Emo Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 244 Rep Power: 37	Well, it depends on how you look at this stuff, a guy pulls out...... he may have just murdered a baby in some eyes. I still think the people who cannot afford, and do not care for their children have the most due to the incentives provided by our govt, which is what they probably had in mind in the original study. I'm pro choice myself, we need to keep all the liberties we have left at this point.

04-17-2008, 11:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 42	What about the most precious of those liberties, the right to LIFE??? You know at the risk of igniting yet another debate about abortion I would think that we ALL could agree that a child one day old is dependent on his mother for life but the child has a right to life. DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT??? I'd also think that if the above is true then a viable fetus (one capable of living outside the mother) would also have a right to life. So just looking at that I would conclude that the debate would be confined to fetuses that have not reached viability. And yet it is not!!! Somehow many in this country have accepted the idea that up until that fetus passes out of the mother (and in some cases not until the fetus is TOTALLY OUTSIDE of the mother) it is ok to kill it. Now obviously , I disagree with that. And though I don't understand the other side's "logic", I DO understand why they would argue it. Now on my side of the debate I don't understand those who would argue that a man pulling out just murdered a baby. The "baby" was NEVER formed. There is NOTHING to "murder" at that point. I mean that is so weak I could use the same "logic" to decry as murderers EVERY female who has refused to have sex with me. On the other side of the debate, I don't understand is WHY anyone would attempt to justify abortion by saying, "killing babies cuts down on crime." That is just an incredibly weak-assed argument and shows an incredible MISUNDERSTANDING of LIFE and CRIME!!!

04-21-2008, 07:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
Razz Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,098 Rep Power: 43	I won't debate abortion itself. I am Pro Choice. Period. As far as the arguement that abortion is a form of crime control is pretty stupid. I can somewhat understand what they were trying to prove however they obviously didn't think it throug completly.