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wilthrill · 10-22-2007, 01:59 PM

Obviously these sources weren't founding members of the Jesus Fan Club. What I find interesting is that their worst criticism of this guy seemed to be he was a bastard and copied the name of god from the temple.

But you've got to love the being boiled in SEMEN part!!!

Oh and ps, if they are right on the age of Mary (18) it sort of lays waste to the pedophilia charge.

junkernaut · 10-22-2007, 02:17 PM

well the age of mary has always been a bone of contention...kind of like the day and year that jesus was supposedly really born. some sources will go with 12 to 14, others go with 17-18. since #1 the measure of time wasnt all that reliable in those days, and #2 we really dont know if these people even existed. and in jerusalem, standard marrying age was around 14 or 15...mary was supposedly pregnant before the marriage to joseph was consumated....a crime punishable by stoning in those days.

but the point of my post is that was a rebuttal to bens repetitive style of point making. every religion has its dark side...at least its dark from todays standards. back in the days when these religions were founded, people had totally different social morays than we do today, girls got married and pregnant much earlier, the females were actually given to the families in which they were married into, almost like property, near slavery to our standards, but normal then. point is, we cant judge history by todays standards, its unfair, society was different, peoples mindsets were different...the aging process was even different.

junkernaut · 10-23-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wilthrill

Obviously these sources weren't founding members of the Jesus Fan Club. What I find interesting is that their worst criticism of this guy seemed to be he was a bastard and copied the name of god from the temple.

But you've got to love the being boiled in SEMEN part!!!

Oh and ps, if they are right on the age of Mary (18) it sort of lays waste to the pedophilia charge.

so you would agree with the rape charge then?

wilthrill · 10-24-2007, 07:45 AM

Well my point was that the same people who will mock Christians for what they believe in will turn around and say things like Mary was 14 years old and raped as if that were fact.
When the true facts are that we don't have a clue about how old Mary was or if she were "raped"!!!!

What if Mary were 28 and actually thought the Holy Spirit looked pretty hot that night so she CONSENTED?? What if egad she had consenting sex with JOSEPH??

You see this mentality almost everywhere these days especially in "science". Give a so-called scientist two clues and he'll tell you with CERTAINTY what happened to the dinosaurs 80 million years ago.

Tree rings are a great example. If I had a dime for every time some so-called scientist has said, "the tree rings from (put in any time period) are thicker therefore it must have been hotter then." Well boy genius HEAT isn't the ONLY FACTOR that affects tree growth. Maybe it rained it's ass off that year. Maybe there was less cloud cover that year. The point being ANY true SCIENTIST would NEVER make such statements as FACT!

We don't really know shit about Mary. Hell the accounts of Christ most of us have read were written over a hundred years after his death. Even the accounts given above by Wayniac are vague as hell and short on facts which could be, egad, because he wasn't a very important person especially to the people who wrote the sources given by Wayniac.

The Wayniac · 10-24-2007, 11:57 AM

Religion should be more about spiritual and moral values. Not tree rings and minor physical details.

junkernaut · 10-24-2007, 12:56 PM

so u understand my point from 4 posts ago...im glad we agree

wilthrill · 10-25-2007, 07:25 AM

If your point is that every religion has a dark side, then yes, we agree.

If your point is that Islam is no worse than Christianity then we disagree strenuously as you well know from all the other posts we've done on the subject.

junkernaut · 10-25-2007, 02:37 PM

my point is that yes every relgion has its darkside, but my other point is that we cant judge the people of the past by our morals because times were different and they called for different responses. the same goes for the morals and practices of different people around the world. im sure this will start another debate altogether

wilthrill · 10-26-2007, 07:03 AM

OK moral relativism,

I'll agree that you have to make allowances for cultural differences (in some cultures burping is a sign of being contented with the meal and thus actually a compliment) but would YOU agree that some things are wrong irrespective of culture?

junkernaut · 10-26-2007, 12:53 PM

from my western point of view, of course. with my western mind, im totally against martyrdom...i dont understand it, i dont agree with it, but if i was raised in the middle east as a muslim, it wouldve been drilled into my head that die for allah would be a great act of heroism and myself along with anyone that i brought with me would be gauranteed a spot in heaven. as a westerner, i find the eating of dogs to be absolutly horrible...if i was raised in korea, it would be normal and delicious. 2 totally different extremes i know, but if i were raised in these other countries with these other mindsets than what i have as a westerner, it wouldnt be any different to me than when i walk across the street to get a hamburger. now once one of these people becomes an american citizen, they must obey the laws of our land and culture.

10-22-2007, 02:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
junkernaut Screamo for Emo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 143 Rep Power: 46	well the age of mary has always been a bone of contention...kind of like the day and year that jesus was supposedly really born. some sources will go with 12 to 14, others go with 17-18. since #1 the measure of time wasnt all that reliable in those days, and #2 we really dont know if these people even existed. and in jerusalem, standard marrying age was around 14 or 15...mary was supposedly pregnant before the marriage to joseph was consumated....a crime punishable by stoning in those days. but the point of my post is that was a rebuttal to bens repetitive style of point making. every religion has its dark side...at least its dark from todays standards. back in the days when these religions were founded, people had totally different social morays than we do today, girls got married and pregnant much earlier, the females were actually given to the families in which they were married into, almost like property, near slavery to our standards, but normal then. point is, we cant judge history by todays standards, its unfair, society was different, peoples mindsets were different...the aging process was even different. __________________ jesus had a great publicist

10-24-2007, 11:57 AM	#15 (permalink)
The Wayniac Moderator Band Whore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mobile, AL. Posts: 965 Rep Power: 44	Religion should be more about spiritual and moral values. Not tree rings and minor physical details. __________________ ______________________ Less Ego equals More Jam.

10-24-2007, 12:56 PM	#16 (permalink)
junkernaut Screamo for Emo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 143 Rep Power: 46	so u understand my point from 4 posts ago...im glad we agree __________________ jesus had a great publicist

10-25-2007, 02:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
junkernaut Screamo for Emo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 143 Rep Power: 46	my point is that yes every relgion has its darkside, but my other point is that we cant judge the people of the past by our morals because times were different and they called for different responses. the same goes for the morals and practices of different people around the world. im sure this will start another debate altogether __________________ jesus had a great publicist

10-26-2007, 12:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
junkernaut Screamo for Emo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 143 Rep Power: 46	from my western point of view, of course. with my western mind, im totally against martyrdom...i dont understand it, i dont agree with it, but if i was raised in the middle east as a muslim, it wouldve been drilled into my head that die for allah would be a great act of heroism and myself along with anyone that i brought with me would be gauranteed a spot in heaven. as a westerner, i find the eating of dogs to be absolutly horrible...if i was raised in korea, it would be normal and delicious. 2 totally different extremes i know, but if i were raised in these other countries with these other mindsets than what i have as a westerner, it wouldnt be any different to me than when i walk across the street to get a hamburger. now once one of these people becomes an american citizen, they must obey the laws of our land and culture. __________________ jesus had a great publicist

10-22-2007, 01:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	Obviously these sources weren't founding members of the Jesus Fan Club. What I find interesting is that their worst criticism of this guy seemed to be he was a bastard and copied the name of god from the temple. But you've got to love the being boiled in SEMEN part!!! Oh and ps, if they are right on the age of Mary (18) it sort of lays waste to the pedophilia charge.

10-24-2007, 07:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	Well my point was that the same people who will mock Christians for what they believe in will turn around and say things like Mary was 14 years old and raped as if that were fact. When the true facts are that we don't have a clue about how old Mary was or if she were "raped"!!!! What if Mary were 28 and actually thought the Holy Spirit looked pretty hot that night so she CONSENTED?? What if egad she had consenting sex with JOSEPH?? You see this mentality almost everywhere these days especially in "science". Give a so-called scientist two clues and he'll tell you with CERTAINTY what happened to the dinosaurs 80 million years ago. Tree rings are a great example. If I had a dime for every time some so-called scientist has said, "the tree rings from (put in any time period) are thicker therefore it must have been hotter then." Well boy genius HEAT isn't the ONLY FACTOR that affects tree growth. Maybe it rained it's ass off that year. Maybe there was less cloud cover that year. The point being ANY true SCIENTIST would NEVER make such statements as FACT! We don't really know shit about Mary. Hell the accounts of Christ most of us have read were written over a hundred years after his death. Even the accounts given above by Wayniac are vague as hell and short on facts which could be, egad, because he wasn't a very important person especially to the people who wrote the sources given by Wayniac.

10-25-2007, 07:25 AM	#17 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	If your point is that every religion has a dark side, then yes, we agree. If your point is that Islam is no worse than Christianity then we disagree strenuously as you well know from all the other posts we've done on the subject.

10-26-2007, 07:03 AM	#19 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	OK moral relativism, I'll agree that you have to make allowances for cultural differences (in some cultures burping is a sign of being contented with the meal and thus actually a compliment) but would YOU agree that some things are wrong irrespective of culture?