Well suprise suprise! We agree junkernaut!!
(THAT happenstance could cause the planet to spin out of its orbit).

The climate is cyclical. Thus, by definition, there are times when it is getting warmer. I've always had two questions for AlGore and the man-made global warming crowd.

1. What caused the warming periods after the at least six ice ages this planet has been through? The last ice age ended at a time when man was living in caves and hunting mammoth so there was no "industrialization" to blame.

2. Why is Mars also going through a warming period now? Last time I checked there were no SUV's on Mars and doesn't the fact that BOTH planets are warming POINT to the SUN (that burning mass in the center of our Solar System) as the culprit?

I never can get answers to either question.

I love your use of the word "THUS".

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oh dont worry will....science has proven that two directly opposing forces wil eventually cause a balance, so were safe there. as for the rest of your points, i totally agree. besides, global warming is also a gradual thing, therefore were not gonna experience sudden and drastic climate change because of a gradual process.
i actually find al gore rather arrogant on this particular issue...ive noticed his demeanor getting more and more smug over the last few months or so since winning an oscar for his film based on bad science. plus his increasing bully tactics on any scientist or politician who doesnt agree with sed bad science.

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if you want some interesting bathroom(where i got most of my best reading done) reading material, check out fingerprints of the gods by graham hancock. its got a large section about whats called "global precession" or climate change due to the earth shifting on its axis. and it explores what ancient cultures have experienced and dealt with and written about this process.

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A wam summer in the 1600s? That was one occurrance. These days we barely even have a winter anymore, lol.

I think the question of whether or not global warmng is fact or fiction is the dumbest question mankind has ever pondered. The evidence is rock solid. think we're in a classic state of denial. Once again people are unwilling to change for the greater good, so my guess is that one day we'll all be singing "taaaaay... tum! taaaaay... tum!" as the floodwaters slowly creep around our ankles, rising.
Taaaaaay... tum! Taaaaaay... tum! Taaaaaay... tum!

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clocky...the warm summer in the 1600's was the absolute warmest on record. this is important because so many scientists have used the fact this past few summers have been some of the warmest on record to prove that global warming is caused by all of these "greenhouse gasses" caused by the industry and auto emissions and is solely responsible for global warming, while ignoring the fact that we had no real industry in the 1600's. we had no automobiles or airplanes in the 1600's. yet it was STILL warmer then than it is now.

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HEY;AL GORE...

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Yes but we're talking about a single summer out of a few thousand, vs today's every summer. And the temperature of the room isn't the only issue. Look at the results of year after year of soft ice in the arctic ocean. There has been record breaking meltage year after year lately.

It is obvious. The facts cannot be ignored.

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Clockwork, " warm summer in the 1600s? That was one occurrance. These days we barely even have a winter anymore, lol. "

I think the question of whether or not global warmng is fact or fiction is the dumbest question mankind has ever pondered. The evidence is rock solid. think we're in a classic state of denial. Once again people are unwilling to change for the greater good, so my guess is that one day we'll all be singing "taaaaay... tum! taaaaay... tum!" as the floodwaters slowly creep around our ankles, rising."

1. Clockwork where have you been? In my necks of the woods (Tennessee), February was one the the coldest on the records. Hell, we had two or three global warming demonstrations cancelled due to BLIZZARDS this winter. Does this prove global warming false? Of course not! You can't extrapolate weather patterns for roughly 5 BILLION years on the basis of one winter or 150 years worth of weather data. Hell, those bozos can't tell us if it will be raining 5 days out and we are to believe them when they make 100 year predictions?

2. Clockwork, the summer in the 1600's wasn't only ONE occurence. Hell, at the end of what scientists refer to as the little ice age (somewhere roughly from 1100 to 1500 AD) there were MANY warm summers. In fact there were so many that it helped what is known as the the agriculture revolution in England and western Europe (more efficient farming methods and machines plus warmer climate allows much more production of food). All of the previous is a matter of record.
Furthermore, the were warm summers following EVERY single ice age this planet has experienced even if we don't have the weather data (no thermometers 25,000 years ago).

3. Clockwork I've reread junnkernaut's posts in this thread and I don't see where he is in a "state of denial". He, as have I, has been pretty clear in saying, "YES, it is warming BUT there is no proof that man is the cause." In fact there is a literal TON of evidence to the contrary, namely, this "warming" is cyclical and has been occurring long before man was an issue.

4. I am not trying to sandbag you or be argumentative but just think about it for a second.

Is the climate static?

Of course not! Thus (I notice you like that word) the climate must be variable. If, in fact, the climate is VARIABLE would one expect it to VARY? In other words, some times it will be getting colder. Sometimes it will be getting hotter. THAT is not man-made and only the height of arrogance would suggest it were.

And finally, even if we were to believe in man-made global warming don't start building your ark yet. Even the man-made global warming crew says that our temperature rose by .6 degrees (6/10 of ONE degree) over the past century. That is not exactly going to release the floodwaters anytime soon.

the moon is also playing a big part in our global warming issue. the moon actually helps regulate the tilt and wobble of the earth. as the earth wobbles on its axis, poles shift slightly, these pole shifts cause deviations in the jet stream, which causes havoc everywhere. it also affects gravity. and when u factor in that moon is moving about 1 and a half inches farther away from us every year, you can start to see where thats effecting us here on earth.

and you may say, what difference does an inch and a half make....well an el nino, like we have this year, is caused by an imperceptible shift of 4 degrees in the pacific....and el nino has been responsible for the demise of many ancient civilizations.

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