Judge orders homeschoolers into government education

wilthrill · 03-04-2008, 11:49 AM

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=57679

So, a California judge has effectively taken away the rights of these parents to raise their own children.

Think about it. If the parent doesn't want their SIX YEAR-OLD to learn how gays have sex then the parent has no choice whatsoever in the matter unless they can afford to send their kid to some private school, many of which are adopting the things that make public school so untenable to the parents.

Why not TEST the children annually? That's how we do it in Tennessee. Oh, but then again EVERY SINGLE TEST that measures achievement shows home-schoolers OUTPERFORMING their publicly educated counterparts so I can see why they wouldn't want that.

Am I the only one alarmed by our government's WOMB TO THE TOMB philosophy of citizen dependence on gov't???

Mikael · 03-04-2008, 04:23 PM

No you're not alone. It's actually pretty damn scary.

ambergirl · 03-04-2008, 06:56 PM

I don't like that at all. My son is in public school. And in th first grade he was told that a fellow first grader wanted to kill him when they got older. If I could afford homeschooling then I would pull him out in a heart beat.

Cherry-Bomb Productions · 03-04-2008, 09:06 PM

Boxing lessons are cheaper

Razz · 03-05-2008, 08:21 AM

That's messed up. What's next? A parent has very little control in a child's life as it is. But at least a parent can control a child's education. But now?

wilthrill · 03-05-2008, 09:43 AM

What's next?

See Mikael's thread, or better yet watch the movie itself, on IDIOCRACY!!!!

And be sure of one thing. These people trying to eliminate home-school DON'T give a rats ass about the kids. These people's SOLE motivation is the acquisition of POWER.

If you don't believe the previous two statements think about this. If you were trying to "fix" education (see that all children are educated) WHY would you "fix" the ONE PART that isn't broken??? We can divide education into public, private and home-schooled. Now WHICH of those categories is graduating children who CAN'T READ??? WHICH of them are "raising" kids who show up at school with firearms and shoot the place up? WHICH of them ALWAYS performs poorly, compared to the others, on EVERY STANDARDIZED test given?

If you were going to "fix" education in this country you would HAVE TO start with PUBLIC education!!!

And yet they have decided to start with the category that consistently OUTPERFORMS the other two?????

This is SOLELY about POWER!!!!!

adecou · 03-05-2008, 12:09 PM

Specifically, the appeals court said, the trial court had found that "keeping the children at home deprived them of situations where (1) they could interact with people outside the family, (2) there are people who could provide help if something is amiss in the children's lives, and (3) they could develop emotionally in a broader world than the parents' 'cloistered' setting."

I find that very unsettling. I homeschool both my children through an online PUBLIC charter school that lets the parents be in control. I teach two electives that are not included in the curriuculm, Bible (non-denominational) and Spanish. In doing this, I have met MANY homeschooling families. Every family does it for a different reason. Our MAIN reason was overpopulation of what would have been our youngest's Kindergarten class (28 students with 6 K classes having at least this many...that's a lot of freaking 5 year olds with ONE teacher per roughly average of 26 students). But the majority of home-schooling families home-school because they don't believe their children are getting a quality education. I went into many of these 'groups' thinking I would meet crazed religous extremists and actually was amazed how few claim their religous beliefs influenced their decisions at all.

That being said... there are FOUR home-school groups in the tiny town I live in. You hit the Phoenix metro and there's at least 500. We go on field trips, most ALL museums and attractions have a "homeschool day" and we get together then. My boys play football, go to the Y and have friends in the neighborhood.

There's not much background on this family, but for a judge to rule something like that (which could and will later be used many times against many other families to enforce the same law) terrifies me. He took all rights away from that family. I have no teaching credentials, and yet, my son has already completed the second grade (FOUR months early) and is whizzing through third grade material.

I have more to say on the subject, but I'll leave it at that for now... I'm a little ticked off and need to check into some Arizona laws now to be sure this type of thing won't happen here.

Oh and I need to add... while right now, we DO use a public system, it's very open and accomidating (sp) to the broad spectrum of homeschooling families... you can omit lessons or specific things in lessons and can 'add' curriulum (as I did). However, if we move back to the coast, there is no public virtual academy (so far, anyway) and therefor, I was planning on purchasing the curriculum (www.k12.com) and home-schooling them the same way.. please don't take offense, but I am very unhappy with Mississippi's schools (I graduated from OSHS, I know first hand, and OS had one of the top ranking in MS).

ambergirl · 03-05-2008, 03:11 PM

Let me applaude you.....*clapping*

adecou · 03-05-2008, 08:40 PM

I need to mention that Johnathan is only 7, which puts him at grade 1 by age...and he's already completed grade 2 through this homeschool curriculum...

I was so pissed this morning, I didn't think any of that would make sense...lol..

Amber, are you being sarcastic?

ambergirl · 03-05-2008, 08:44 PM

nope, any mommy that can take on teaching her own kids deserves applause. It would wear me out.

03-04-2008, 11:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	Judge orders homeschoolers into government education http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...w&pageId=57679 So, a California judge has effectively taken away the rights of these parents to raise their own children. Think about it. If the parent doesn't want their SIX YEAR-OLD to learn how gays have sex then the parent has no choice whatsoever in the matter unless they can afford to send their kid to some private school, many of which are adopting the things that make public school so untenable to the parents. Why not TEST the children annually? That's how we do it in Tennessee. Oh, but then again EVERY SINGLE TEST that measures achievement shows home-schoolers OUTPERFORMING their publicly educated counterparts so I can see why they wouldn't want that. Am I the only one alarmed by our government's WOMB TO THE TOMB philosophy of citizen dependence on gov't???

03-04-2008, 04:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
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adecou Band Whore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona Age: 25 Posts: 841 Rep Power: 13	Specifically, the appeals court said, the trial court had found that "keeping the children at home deprived them of situations where (1) they could interact with people outside the family, (2) there are people who could provide help if something is amiss in the children's lives, and (3) they could develop emotionally in a broader world than the parents' 'cloistered' setting." I find that very unsettling. I homeschool both my children through an online PUBLIC charter school that lets the parents be in control. I teach two electives that are not included in the curriuculm, Bible (non-denominational) and Spanish. In doing this, I have met MANY homeschooling families. Every family does it for a different reason. Our MAIN reason was overpopulation of what would have been our youngest's Kindergarten class (28 students with 6 K classes having at least this many...that's a lot of freaking 5 year olds with ONE teacher per roughly average of 26 students). But the majority of home-schooling families home-school because they don't believe their children are getting a quality education. I went into many of these 'groups' thinking I would meet crazed religous extremists and actually was amazed how few claim their religous beliefs influenced their decisions at all. That being said... there are FOUR home-school groups in the tiny town I live in. You hit the Phoenix metro and there's at least 500. We go on field trips, most ALL museums and attractions have a "homeschool day" and we get together then. My boys play football, go to the Y and have friends in the neighborhood. There's not much background on this family, but for a judge to rule something like that (which could and will later be used many times against many other families to enforce the same law) terrifies me. He took all rights away from that family. I have no teaching credentials, and yet, my son has already completed the second grade (FOUR months early) and is whizzing through third grade material. I have more to say on the subject, but I'll leave it at that for now... I'm a little ticked off and need to check into some Arizona laws now to be sure this type of thing won't happen here. Oh and I need to add... while right now, we DO use a public system, it's very open and accomidating (sp) to the broad spectrum of homeschooling families... you can omit lessons or specific things in lessons and can 'add' curriulum (as I did). However, if we move back to the coast, there is no public virtual academy (so far, anyway) and therefor, I was planning on purchasing the curriculum (www.k12.com) and home-schooling them the same way.. please don't take offense, but I am very unhappy with Mississippi's schools (I graduated from OSHS, I know first hand, and OS had one of the top ranking in MS). __________________ "You're thinking that I'm strange... just think of what I think of you" A Day in the Life of a Musician's Wife My Myspace Last edited by adecou; 03-05-2008 at 12:14 PM.

03-05-2008, 08:21 AM	#5 (permalink)
Razz Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,173 Rep Power: 47	That's messed up. What's next? A parent has very little control in a child's life as it is. But at least a parent can control a child's education. But now?

03-05-2008, 09:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	What's next? See Mikael's thread, or better yet watch the movie itself, on IDIOCRACY!!!! And be sure of one thing. These people trying to eliminate home-school DON'T give a rats ass about the kids. These people's SOLE motivation is the acquisition of POWER. If you don't believe the previous two statements think about this. If you were trying to "fix" education (see that all children are educated) WHY would you "fix" the ONE PART that isn't broken??? We can divide education into public, private and home-schooled. Now WHICH of those categories is graduating children who CAN'T READ??? WHICH of them are "raising" kids who show up at school with firearms and shoot the place up? WHICH of them ALWAYS performs poorly, compared to the others, on EVERY STANDARDIZED test given? If you were going to "fix" education in this country you would HAVE TO start with PUBLIC education!!! And yet they have decided to start with the category that consistently OUTPERFORMS the other two????? This is SOLELY about POWER!!!!!

03-05-2008, 03:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
ambergirl Band Member GCB Senior Citizen Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Escatawpa, MS Age: 29 Posts: 2,531 Rep Power: 48	Let me applaude you.....clapping __________________ You've Got Questions. We've Got Ambergirl. www.myspace.com/pajamasakapj

03-05-2008, 08:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
adecou Band Whore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Queen Creek, Arizona Age: 25 Posts: 841 Rep Power: 13	I need to mention that Johnathan is only 7, which puts him at grade 1 by age...and he's already completed grade 2 through this homeschool curriculum... I was so pissed this morning, I didn't think any of that would make sense...lol.. Amber, are you being sarcastic? __________________ "You're thinking that I'm strange... just think of what I think of you" A Day in the Life of a Musician's Wife My Myspace

03-05-2008, 08:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
ambergirl Band Member GCB Senior Citizen Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Escatawpa, MS Age: 29 Posts: 2,531 Rep Power: 48	nope, any mommy that can take on teaching her own kids deserves applause. It would wear me out. __________________ You've Got Questions. We've Got Ambergirl. www.myspace.com/pajamasakapj