muslims, conservatives and evangelicalas....oh my - Page 2

wilthrill · 07-26-2007, 09:01 AM

Well if teacher led prayer in public school gets your goat, you're gonna love this:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...1n2prayer.html

So at Carver Elementary in San Diego, and apparently MANY other schools, school employees ARE allowed to lead MUSLIM students in prayer. That's right. In the middle of the day the muslims are SEGREGATED according to sex (we don't want any of those FEMALES to soil the prayers of the real humans, oops I meant males) and a public employee leads them in prayer. Not only that but the fucking school MENU is now halal (no pork etc) as an accommodation to the Muslims. What about that "separation of church and state" you liberals are always bleating about? Oh but when given the chance to shoot themselves in the foot the liberals never miss a beat.

“What is unique about this request is the specificity of the religious requirement that a prayer be offered at a certain time on the clock,” he said.

North went on to say, “The district's legal obligation in response to a request that a prayer must be performed at a particular time is to treat that request the same as it would treat a student's request to receive an insulin shot at a particular time.”

Oh really? Funny how that same EXCUSE doesn't work for christians. You liberals are FUCKING HYPOCRITES through and through. (BTW the term liberal in this post refers specifically to the people in San Diego supporting this prayer in school for MUSLIMS ONLY!!!) And ANYONE in the San Diego school system who supports this has shown such a CLEAR MISUNDERSTANDING of the 1st Amendment that they don't deserve to be in any position of power over our kids!!!!

junkernaut · 07-26-2007, 01:01 PM

thats where that dreaded grey area comes in. where do we draw the line. im interested in opinions here. since the the 1st ammendment definitly has the seperation of church and state, but here we might possibly another issue. the freedom to practice your religion in a public forum. im not so crazy about a public official leading these prayers, but the menu is part of the religion as well. so its a matter of not being able to practice their religion.....whats the solution

Mikael · 07-26-2007, 06:15 PM

All for the school menu not including pork. It's good, but not good for you. As for the prayers, that is the obligation of an observant Muslim. Good for them.

wilthrill · 07-27-2007, 08:55 AM

Junkernaut, the fist amendment contains NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of "separation of church and state". That phrase comes from a letter to the Danberry Baptists written by Thomas Jefferson in which he was telling them to beware gov't control of religion (not the other way around). Our Supreme Court HAS created a "separation of church and state" but it wasn't in the US constitution and if it were intended to be I find it odd that the SAME PEOPLE who wrote the US Constitution opened the Constitutional convention as well as EVERY subsequent congress with a PRAYER. How can you say they intended to ban god to the non-public sphere when THEY were invoking his name in the PUBLIC sphere?

That said we live in a time when "separation of church and state" is accepted as gospel.

Fine. Students can individually pray if they want (practice their religion). However, we can't have the school (in the form of one of its employees) leading the prayer. THIS IS THE CURRENT SITUATION ACCORDING TO THE US SUPREME COURT.

Which means junkernaut, that this is NOT a gray area!!! For a school employee to first segregate according to gender and then lead in prayer a group of Muslim females is CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!

1. I don't give a fuck what your religion is WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE RAW SEXISM!!! If you were a member of some white-power religion should we discriminate against blacks to "accommodate your religion"?
2. There are a LONG LINE of cases holding that school employees can't lead students in prayer at graduations, at football games and ESPECIALLY in the MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL DAY!!

Some of the VERY SAME LIBERALS who PUSHED FOR THIS are allowing the Muslims to pray. They said POINT FUCKING BLANK that had it been christians they wouldn't have allowed it!!!

As for pork, yes it is bad for you but you miss the point. What happens when some militant vegan founds a "religion"? Are school menus going to eliminate all meat and dairy to "accommodate his religion"?

Have the muslims ever heard of BRINGING THEIR LUNCH to school? You know the little brown paper bag? If they don't want to eat that hot dog (practice their religion) then fine, bring their own food. I did when I was a kid! No they can't be bothered with that (that might involve women's work) so they WILL impose THEIR DIET on EVERYONE ELSE! Bullshit!!!

THIS IS NOT GRAY. IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!!!

Liberals, you wanted the law. Now you have it. So god-damn it, you have to follow it even if it involves your pet religion!!

Mikael · 07-27-2007, 06:41 PM

Good points, Wil.

Krafty Ken · 08-03-2007, 06:40 AM

Islam is a dynamite religion.

Mikael · 08-03-2007, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krafty Ken

Islam is a dynamite religion.

Krafty Ken's getting "krafty" with his posts!

Krafty Ken · 08-05-2007, 03:34 PM

If I was a student in school today, I would bring my pet pig for show and tell.

wilthrill · 08-06-2007, 09:06 AM

You know Ken your response about the pig shows an interesting point.

Some would say, well why do you feel the need to be "offensive" to Islam? I think I know exactly how you feel and so I will respond for you.

I typically am live and let live. Generally speaking I have no interest in offending any religion. But these people (muslims) have been so adamant about FORCING THEIR RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT that I say FUCK THEM!!! WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION in this country. WE HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT. It is generally understood to provide the right to free speech (whether I'm talking about a muslim or not). Furthermore it has been interpreted to mean that our public schools will NOT observe ONE RELIGION'S beliefs over another so if you don't like pork BRING YOUR FUCKING LUNCH!!!! You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

Furthermore, I'm tired of being lectured on "offensiveness" by a 7th century religion that treats women as less than cattle! You want to talk "offensive"? Putting Jessica Alba in a burka is offensive!!!

You know Ken,it is not WE who are offensive.

07-26-2007, 01:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
junkernaut Screamo for Emo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 143 Rep Power: 46	thats where that dreaded grey area comes in. where do we draw the line. im interested in opinions here. since the the 1st ammendment definitly has the seperation of church and state, but here we might possibly another issue. the freedom to practice your religion in a public forum. im not so crazy about a public official leading these prayers, but the menu is part of the religion as well. so its a matter of not being able to practice their religion.....whats the solution __________________ jesus had a great publicist

07-26-2007, 06:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 45	All for the school menu not including pork. It's good, but not good for you. As for the prayers, that is the obligation of an observant Muslim. Good for them. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

07-27-2007, 06:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 45	Good points, Wil. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

08-03-2007, 06:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
Krafty Ken Fawkin' Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	Islam is a dynamite religion. __________________ End the occupation from Iraq to Palestine!*Does not include Tibet, Hong Kong, Lebanon, or anyone else under Communist or Islamic subjugation. They need to stop bitching.

08-05-2007, 03:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
Krafty Ken Fawkin' Newbie Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	If I was a student in school today, I would bring my pet pig for show and tell. __________________ End the occupation from Iraq to Palestine!*Does not include Tibet, Hong Kong, Lebanon, or anyone else under Communist or Islamic subjugation. They need to stop bitching.

07-26-2007, 09:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 823 Rep Power: 46	Well if teacher led prayer in public school gets your goat, you're gonna love this: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...1n2prayer.html So at Carver Elementary in San Diego, and apparently MANY other schools, school employees ARE allowed to lead MUSLIM students in prayer. That's right. In the middle of the day the muslims are SEGREGATED according to sex (we don't want any of those FEMALES to soil the prayers of the real humans, oops I meant males) and a public employee leads them in prayer. Not only that but the fucking school MENU is now halal (no pork etc) as an accommodation to the Muslims. What about that "separation of church and state" you liberals are always bleating about? Oh but when given the chance to shoot themselves in the foot the liberals never miss a beat. “What is unique about this request is the specificity of the religious requirement that a prayer be offered at a certain time on the clock,” he said. North went on to say, “The district's legal obligation in response to a request that a prayer must be performed at a particular time is to treat that request the same as it would treat a student's request to receive an insulin shot at a particular time.” Oh really? Funny how that same EXCUSE doesn't work for christians. You liberals are FUCKING HYPOCRITES through and through. (BTW the term liberal in this post refers specifically to the people in San Diego supporting this prayer in school for MUSLIMS ONLY!!!) And ANYONE in the San Diego school system who supports this has shown such a CLEAR MISUNDERSTANDING of the 1st Amendment that they don't deserve to be in any position of power over our kids!!!!

07-27-2007, 08:55 AM	#14 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 823 Rep Power: 46	Junkernaut, the fist amendment contains NO MENTION WHATSOEVER of "separation of church and state". That phrase comes from a letter to the Danberry Baptists written by Thomas Jefferson in which he was telling them to beware gov't control of religion (not the other way around). Our Supreme Court HAS created a "separation of church and state" but it wasn't in the US constitution and if it were intended to be I find it odd that the SAME PEOPLE who wrote the US Constitution opened the Constitutional convention as well as EVERY subsequent congress with a PRAYER. How can you say they intended to ban god to the non-public sphere when THEY were invoking his name in the PUBLIC sphere? That said we live in a time when "separation of church and state" is accepted as gospel. Fine. Students can individually pray if they want (practice their religion). However, we can't have the school (in the form of one of its employees) leading the prayer. THIS IS THE CURRENT SITUATION ACCORDING TO THE US SUPREME COURT. Which means junkernaut, that this is NOT a gray area!!! For a school employee to first segregate according to gender and then lead in prayer a group of Muslim females is CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!! 1. I don't give a fuck what your religion is WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE RAW SEXISM!!! If you were a member of some white-power religion should we discriminate against blacks to "accommodate your religion"? 2. There are a LONG LINE of cases holding that school employees can't lead students in prayer at graduations, at football games and ESPECIALLY in the MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL DAY!! Some of the VERY SAME LIBERALS who PUSHED FOR THIS are allowing the Muslims to pray. They said POINT FUCKING BLANK that had it been christians they wouldn't have allowed it!!! As for pork, yes it is bad for you but you miss the point. What happens when some militant vegan founds a "religion"? Are school menus going to eliminate all meat and dairy to "accommodate his religion"? Have the muslims ever heard of BRINGING THEIR LUNCH to school? You know the little brown paper bag? If they don't want to eat that hot dog (practice their religion) then fine, bring their own food. I did when I was a kid! No they can't be bothered with that (that might involve women's work) so they WILL impose THEIR DIET on EVERYONE ELSE! Bullshit!!! THIS IS NOT GRAY. IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE!!! Liberals, you wanted the law. Now you have it. So god-damn it, you have to follow it even if it involves your pet religion!!

08-06-2007, 09:06 AM	#19 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 823 Rep Power: 46	You know Ken your response about the pig shows an interesting point. Some would say, well why do you feel the need to be "offensive" to Islam? I think I know exactly how you feel and so I will respond for you. I typically am live and let live. Generally speaking I have no interest in offending any religion. But these people (muslims) have been so adamant about FORCING THEIR RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT that I say FUCK THEM!!! WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION in this country. WE HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT. It is generally understood to provide the right to free speech (whether I'm talking about a muslim or not). Furthermore it has been interpreted to mean that our public schools will NOT observe ONE RELIGION'S beliefs over another so if you don't like pork BRING YOUR FUCKING LUNCH!!!! You do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us. Furthermore, I'm tired of being lectured on "offensiveness" by a 7th century religion that treats women as less than cattle! You want to talk "offensive"? Putting Jessica Alba in a burka is offensive!!! You know Ken,it is not WE who are offensive. Last edited by wilthrill; 08-06-2007 at 09:09 AM.