New York Times: Iraq: A War We Just Might Win

wilthrill · 07-30-2007, 08:27 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/op...=1&oref=slogin

I point out that The New York Times, the Brookings Institute and the two authors are ALL critics of this war.

What would happen to the DEMOCRATS if we were to win this war?

Mikael · 07-30-2007, 09:45 PM

I saw the two authors on CNN. They were quick to point out that they had no control over the title of the piece.
But to answer your question; the Dems better find another angle here.

wilthrill · 07-31-2007, 02:03 PM

Well Mikael, the title isn't the only damning thing.

The basic thrust of the article was the authors saw PROGRESS in Iraq and the MILITARY part of the problem IS coming under control. The authors themselves said they thought we should give the surge until 2008. They also said that the "debate" in Washington (read the democratic position that we should pull out now) was "SURREAL"!

Now the democrats who APPROVED the surge and PETREUS and a SEPTEMBER REPORT are saying we should pull out now.

These guys are war critics working for an institution that has been a war critic and published in a "newspaper" that is the PREMIERE war critic so you can't make hay by claiming they are republicans/ conservatives or Bushbots.

Mikael · 08-02-2007, 10:59 PM

Ironically, Wil, this proves why Dems won't endorse a pullout or really challenge Bush on the war. Even Republicans are weak on the stance. There is a chance we ( U.S. ) could win this war and not fold like we did in Vietnam.
Here's the reason I believe it's in our best interest to "Americanize" the middle east: It's not about the oil-it's about ideology.
People there have suffered a lot under their own regimes. They "vote" for these regimes based upon a popular sentiment ( kind of like Hitler )where they blame somebody for their fallen empire.
If they can attract enough radicalism they just might "turn things around" and restore their empire to it's former glory...
Well, maybe someone should be there to make sure they change their mind.
That's U.S.

07-30-2007, 08:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 823 Rep Power: 46	New York Times: Iraq: A War We Just Might Win http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/op...=1&oref=slogin I point out that The New York Times, the Brookings Institute and the two authors are ALL critics of this war. What would happen to the DEMOCRATS if we were to win this war?

07-30-2007, 09:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 45	I saw the two authors on CNN. They were quick to point out that they had no control over the title of the piece. But to answer your question; the Dems better find another angle here. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

08-02-2007, 10:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 45	Ironically, Wil, this proves why Dems won't endorse a pullout or really challenge Bush on the war. Even Republicans are weak on the stance. There is a chance we ( U.S. ) could win this war and not fold like we did in Vietnam. Here's the reason I believe it's in our best interest to "Americanize" the middle east: It's not about the oil-it's about ideology. People there have suffered a lot under their own regimes. They "vote" for these regimes based upon a popular sentiment ( kind of like Hitler )where they blame somebody for their fallen empire. If they can attract enough radicalism they just might "turn things around" and restore their empire to it's former glory... Well, maybe someone should be there to make sure they change their mind. That's U.S. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

07-31-2007, 02:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 823 Rep Power: 46	Well Mikael, the title isn't the only damning thing. The basic thrust of the article was the authors saw PROGRESS in Iraq and the MILITARY part of the problem IS coming under control. The authors themselves said they thought we should give the surge until 2008. They also said that the "debate" in Washington (read the democratic position that we should pull out now) was "SURREAL"! Now the democrats who APPROVED the surge and PETREUS and a SEPTEMBER REPORT are saying we should pull out now. These guys are war critics working for an institution that has been a war critic and published in a "newspaper" that is the PREMIERE war critic so you can't make hay by claiming they are republicans/ conservatives or Bushbots.