No Nukes In Iran

PITBOSS · 12-07-2007, 04:19 PM

Doesn't this remind you of 2002 and Iraq?? at least this time the lie's out before the war.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ear/index.html

Just_Lee · 12-09-2007, 09:53 AM

yea...Iran is a ok...we can trust them. Afterall they just want to be our friend...lol

Mikael · 12-09-2007, 11:23 AM

Well, with Iraq, Saddam WANTED the world to believe he had WMD's. He said he had them and with him not letting U.N. inspectors in the country, we had no way of being sure. I for one am glad that sick, sadistic bastard is dead.
Now, consequently, our invasion of Iraq put the brakes on Iran's nuclear weapons program-Iran (specifically Ineedajihad) knew they could be next. Why do you think they're supplying weapons and training to insurgents in Iraq? To keep us tied up there so they can buy time.

Just_Lee · 12-10-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikael

Well, with Iraq, Saddam WANTED the world to believe he had WMD's. He said he had them and with him not letting U.N. inspectors in the country, we had no way of being sure. I for one am glad that sick, sadistic bastard is dead.
Now, consequently, our invasion of Iraq put the brakes on Iran's nuclear weapons program-Iran (specifically Ineedajihad) knew they could be next. Why do you think they're supplying weapons and training to insurgents in Iraq? To keep us tied up there so they can buy time.

You are exactly right Michael. People should be careful believing in Iran's b.s. just because they think we are the bad guys....we might be bad to some...depends on who you ask...but the bottom line here is we can't let Iran get a nuclear weapon, and we can't trust a damn thing they tell us. I will be glad when a new administration takes over in Washington so that maybe the hatred for Bush won't come into play that much anymore. Maybe we will get an administration that the people of our country can believe in again. Maybe we won't be the bad guys anymore. But the middle east will still hate us. That won't change. But maybe, just maybe our own people won't hate us.....I doubt it.

wilthrill · 12-11-2007, 07:49 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ef=werecommend

The article basically echoes Just Lee and Mikael in saying that Iran is still dangerous and still seeking to enrich uranium (allegedly for energy despite the fact they are sitting on a large reserve of oil) AND still attempting to develop ballistic missiles capable of carrying a nuke.

But what I find interesting is when the article talks about how we used to keep NIE "estimates' CLASSIFIED because declassifying them means we give up sources and makes it harder in the future to gather intelligence.

From the article:
"At this point, some readers will no doubt say there is no way a conclusion like this could have been kept secret. Agreed, but it is worth asking why. The answer is complicated. In all likelihood the estimate was declassified based on a conviction that in today's toxic political climate it would have been seen as a useful weapon by people with a variety of motives -- it would therefore have gone "out the door" in record time. In such circumstances, a case can be made for getting ahead of the curve by declassifying an estimate and thus having some control over how it is presented and perceived."

Sooo..... we released it because we KNEW some democrat would LEAK it to the New York Times and THEY would publish it!!!!

Think about that for a second. Twenty years ago this would NOT have happened. Even though the media hated Reagan with a passion, they were still American enough that this would not have been published.

Not so today!!!!!

Oh, and ps, is anybody besides me wondering just what it was the Israelis blew up in Syria a few months ago? Supposedly it was something that involved IRAN and Syria.....

Mikael · 12-11-2007, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilthrill

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ef=werecommend

Sooo..... we released it because we KNEW some democrat would LEAK it to the New York Times and THEY would publish it!!!!

Think about that for a second. Twenty years ago this would NOT have happened. Even though the media hated Reagan with a passion, they were still American enough that this would not have been published.

Not so today!!!!!

Oh, and ps, is anybody besides me wondering just what it was the Israelis blew up in Syria a few months ago? Supposedly it was something that involved IRAN and Syria.....

I'm wondering, but haven't heard a peep about it.

PITBOSS · 12-11-2007, 10:32 PM

Haven't heard anything about this Israel/Syria thing.

It just seems to me that D.C. is really pushing to go into Iran, and even though this info was released they'll find a different reason to support this. Yes they have terrorists, so do we - remember timothy Mc Veigh? We don't need another war, and I still do not see a threat to our country from Iran.

Just_Lee · 12-11-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PITBOSS

Haven't heard anything about this Israel/Syria thing.

It just seems to me that D.C. is really pushing to go into Iran, and even though this info was released they'll find a different reason to support this. Yes they have terrorists, so do we - remember timothy Mc Veigh? We don't need another war, and I still do not see a threat to our country from Iran.

I agree we don't need another war at all. I don't see Iran as a threat unless they get a nuke. Then they are definately a threat. So in my opinion, whatever we need to do to keep nukes out of their hands, we should do.

Mikael · 12-11-2007, 11:53 PM

If Iran continues to shake its stick at Israel-they would seriously regret it, to put it lightly. Regardless of where you stand on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, you have to recognize that little county's might. They obliterated the military's of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in almost no time ('67 I think). They also bombed Iraq's nuclear facility back in the '80's stopping their progress cold.
My point is: We may not have to deal with Iran at all. Israel would be more than ready to do it if they were threatened. But, another war in the region at this point would sap our oil-dependant economy to the point of putting us in a severe depression-and no one wants that.

wilthrill · 12-12-2007, 07:33 AM

Regarding "our terrorist" Mcveigh:

1. We didn't EXPORT him.

2. We PUNISHED him.

And Pitboss about two months ago Israelis jets flew into Syria and obliterated SOMETHING that the Syrians and Iranians were working on. We haven't heard anything in the press as to WHAT they blew up and, surprise surprise, the Syrians and Iranians haven't said anything either.

12-07-2007, 04:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
PITBOSS Band Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 309 Rep Power: 41	No Nukes In Iran Doesn't this remind you of 2002 and Iraq?? at least this time the lie's out before the war. http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ear/index.html

12-09-2007, 11:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 45	Well, with Iraq, Saddam WANTED the world to believe he had WMD's. He said he had them and with him not letting U.N. inspectors in the country, we had no way of being sure. I for one am glad that sick, sadistic bastard is dead. Now, consequently, our invasion of Iraq put the brakes on Iran's nuclear weapons program-Iran (specifically Ineedajihad) knew they could be next. Why do you think they're supplying weapons and training to insurgents in Iraq? To keep us tied up there so they can buy time. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

12-11-2007, 11:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mikael Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Down In a Hole Posts: 905 Rep Power: 45	If Iran continues to shake its stick at Israel-they would seriously regret it, to put it lightly. Regardless of where you stand on the Israeli/Palestinian issue, you have to recognize that little county's might. They obliterated the military's of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria in almost no time ('67 I think). They also bombed Iraq's nuclear facility back in the '80's stopping their progress cold. My point is: We may not have to deal with Iran at all. Israel would be more than ready to do it if they were threatened. But, another war in the region at this point would sap our oil-dependant economy to the point of putting us in a severe depression-and no one wants that. __________________ I just saved a ton of money on car insurance by switching to no car insurance!!! www.myspace.com/13468360

12-09-2007, 09:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Just_Lee Band Member Screamo for Emo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 162 Rep Power: 46	yea...Iran is a ok...we can trust them. Afterall they just want to be our friend...lol

12-11-2007, 07:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS...ef=werecommend The article basically echoes Just Lee and Mikael in saying that Iran is still dangerous and still seeking to enrich uranium (allegedly for energy despite the fact they are sitting on a large reserve of oil) AND still attempting to develop ballistic missiles capable of carrying a nuke. But what I find interesting is when the article talks about how we used to keep NIE "estimates' CLASSIFIED because declassifying them means we give up sources and makes it harder in the future to gather intelligence. From the article: "At this point, some readers will no doubt say there is no way a conclusion like this could have been kept secret. Agreed, but it is worth asking why. The answer is complicated. In all likelihood the estimate was declassified based on a conviction that in today's toxic political climate it would have been seen as a useful weapon by people with a variety of motives -- it would therefore have gone "out the door" in record time. In such circumstances, a case can be made for getting ahead of the curve by declassifying an estimate and thus having some control over how it is presented and perceived." Sooo..... we released it because we KNEW some democrat would LEAK it to the New York Times and THEY would publish it!!!! Think about that for a second. Twenty years ago this would NOT have happened. Even though the media hated Reagan with a passion, they were still American enough that this would not have been published. Not so today!!!!! Oh, and ps, is anybody besides me wondering just what it was the Israelis blew up in Syria a few months ago? Supposedly it was something that involved IRAN and Syria.....

12-11-2007, 10:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
PITBOSS Band Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 309 Rep Power: 41	Haven't heard anything about this Israel/Syria thing. It just seems to me that D.C. is really pushing to go into Iran, and even though this info was released they'll find a different reason to support this. Yes they have terrorists, so do we - remember timothy Mc Veigh? We don't need another war, and I still do not see a threat to our country from Iran.

12-12-2007, 07:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	Regarding "our terrorist" Mcveigh: 1. We didn't EXPORT him. 2. We PUNISHED him. And Pitboss about two months ago Israelis jets flew into Syria and obliterated SOMETHING that the Syrians and Iranians were working on. We haven't heard anything in the press as to WHAT they blew up and, surprise surprise, the Syrians and Iranians haven't said anything either.