Michael Robinson, where did you see ANYONE generalize Mexicans as thieves???

If you were referring to my post you'd better look again.

I said "I don't have Mexicans. I hate thieves".

THAT statement does not in ANY WAY lead to the logical conclusion that Mexicans are thieves. In fact that statement expresses the OPPOSITE sentiment namely it is not Mexicans that are the problem it is illegal immigrants (thieves). Since some are so weak-minded as to have to cry wolf instead of presenting their argument I'll be blunt. I hate illegals!!! I have no problem with hispanics or any other ethnic group or race. I hate illegals. They are, by defintion, theives since they have to steal someone's identity to work or steal benefits to stay here.

Of course Clockwork couldn't argue his position so he screams racism instead. Clockster you don't know shit about me. I have NEVER advocated enforcing immigration laws against ANY ONE ETHNIC GROUP (so much for your ludicrous assertion about me not wanting to help anyone who wasn't white). I have consistently advocated ENFORCING immigration law. There's an idea for you. Something about that pesky 14th Amendment "equal protection under the law" argument gets to me. I actually LIKE equal protection under the law.

So Clockwork, how is it equal protection under the law when if you or I get caught stealing social security cards we face up to $2500 in fines and two years in PRISON but if an illegal immigrant is caught with a stolen social security card people like you want to give them citizenship???

Or how about all of the people who are killed by illegals? You do realize that in 2006 more americans were killed by illegal immigrants that were killed in all four years in Iraq!!! What about their families? Do they have the right to expect that the US gov't will actually enforce it's own laws? They should but instead they have DEAD RELATIVES because the US refuses to enforce it's own immigration laws.

Andrea made the same point I was trying to make. She said, "If I embezzel money from a charity instead of applying for their assistance, does that make me a criminal? Yes. It also makes the theft all the more deplorable because it exisits to help my ultimate goal in the first place!"

Exactly!!! I'm willing to help people but they have to go through the proper channels. If a man asks for charity and I have the wherewithal to help him, I may. But if a man breaks into my house and sets up shop in the basement, I sure as hell am not about to help him do that and it doesn't matter what you liberals call me in an attempt to guilt me into it.

And it is most definitely not racist to suggest that those like Clockwork "help" the less fortunate with HIS money as opposed to mine. Clockwork you are the one saying these people must be helped (which of course begs the question by "these people" do you mean the roughly 3 billion people living in poverty in this world or just the one's you are underpaying to cut your grass), so man up and do the compassionate thing with YOUR money.

Oh and one other thing Clockwork. Since you are so "compassionate" and those of us who favor enforcing the law are "racists", perhaps you'd enlighten we "rednecks" by telling us your solution. Obviously you favor helping the "less fortunate". Well that is over 3,000,000,000 people on planet earth.

1. So, do we let all three billion "less fortunates" come in? Even an enemy of economics such as yourself would have to realize we can't afford that.

2. So, given that, how do we decide which of the "less fortunates" gets to come here?

Of course any rational person would realize that number one isn't the answer (we can't afford it) and number two is what MY SIDE has been arguing all along. We have to secure that border and DECIDE who comes across.

But don't let the fact that your argument is logically inconsistent (even you should realize we have to control who comes in) distract you from your cries of racism. After all we wouldn't want those pesky facts to get in the way.

No one will seriously address the border issue until it becomes politically expedient to do so i.e. another terrorist attack. Just think, say a missle or two was fired into New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles, the citizens themselves would take up positions on the border and shut it down. I do no hope for another attack on our soil, but unfortunately it looks like that is the only thing that will get peoples' attention.

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End the occupation from Iraq to Palestine!*Does not include Tibet, Hong Kong, Lebanon, or anyone else under Communist or Islamic subjugation. They need to stop bitching.

And Krafty Ken, THAT is exactly why I blame GEORGE W BUSH!!!!

This is, first and foremost, a security issue. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you are a terrorist with a suitcase nuke or biological or chemical weapons, you'd LOVE to be able to walk across that border unchecked.

The liberals are seriously mentally unbalanced (or they are monumental pussies) and obviously have NO UNDERSTANDING of how terrorists and dictators think. I expect them to appease at every avaliable opportunity. It'd be nice to be proven wrong every once in a while, but that is life.

Bush, on the other hand, TALKS a good game about security, but won't even close the fucking door!!! He should be impeached for THIS (strangely enough none of you Bushhatas have expressed ANY interest in this ground for impeachment).

But I guess I'm just a republican racist for suggesting that we enforce the law and impeach a republican President for failing to do so!!!

But then again, I must be a really stupid republican racist to suggest that a republican president whom I voted for be impeached.

Don't let those little details get in your way of branding me a racist, Clockwork.

What am I thinking?

Of course you won't!!!

You only blame Bush for the border problem? My list goes a little longer then that. Let me start with Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. John McCain, and any other Senator and Congressman from a border who does nothing to stop this problem. Some conservative republicans tried to do something in the fall, but of course democrats and moderates would have none of it. Bush should send the national guard to the border TOMORROW! and not 6,000 more like 60,000. In addition, could you provide me with a list of high crimes and misdemeanors you feel Bush should be impeached for?

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End the occupation from Iraq to Palestine!*Does not include Tibet, Hong Kong, Lebanon, or anyone else under Communist or Islamic subjugation. They need to stop bitching.

I blame all of them but BUSH gets the majority of my wrath because:

1. He could shut that border down YESTERDAY if he wanted to! He is the executive and this is national security. He could deploy the National Guard (with loaded weapons) to patrol that border, shut it down, and kill anyone who attacks them. He could hold a press conference and annouce his new policy as well as warn Mexico that if they refuse to STOP helping illegals (the Mexican gov't prints maps of popular routes etc) we will STOP every FUCKING CENTthat goes into that country from the US and if that is not enough we will invade and secure the region for ourselves (I hear there's oil in them thar hills). Oh, and ps, he should pardon those two border agents for shooting that illegal alien drug dealer and give them the Congressional Medal of Honor or its executive branch equivalent.

2. Bush TALKS about national security! That is why we are allegedly in Iraq. The democrats are appeasement pussies but at least they are consistent. I expected more from Bush and he is a hypocrite on this issue.

So that is why I'm mad at Bush!

Yes, I'm mad at Bush for the same exact reasons. But if that amounts to high crimes and misdemeanors, then the entire congress could also be impeached.

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End the occupation from Iraq to Palestine!*Does not include Tibet, Hong Kong, Lebanon, or anyone else under Communist or Islamic subjugation. They need to stop bitching.

Damn, I just got back after a few weeks and discovered several posts from the same guy all condemning me for calling him a racist. The truth must hurt, I know.
The truth is, I don't have the answers. All I have is compassion. That is an emotion you do not feel, obviously. Sorry I called you a racist. I should have used the phrase "evil fuck". Please excuse my mishap.

And once again, I don't suggest that we give people money. I do suggest that those willing to work be allowed to live here. I'd gladly see you deported in exchange for an immigrant who does not fear others. You cleverly ignored my last clarification of this point. But I make it again. Your constant assertions that I'm suggesting that we "help these people with our money" is merely additional proof that you are in fact a racist. And I'd call you that to your face, by the way.

By the way:
Earlier you posted:
Michael Robinson, where did you see ANYONE generalize Mexicans as thieves???

If you were referring to my post you'd better look again.

I said "I don't have Mexicans. I hate thieves".

THAT statement does not in ANY WAY lead to the logical conclusion that Mexicans are thieves.

My response: Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha, a-ha ha ha. Listen to yourself.

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Oh one more thing. About your question:
If ANYONE steals anything (including social security cards) they should be punished equally.
Personally, I would not offer citizenship to someone who came to this country and stole from one of our citizens. But if they are already a citizen when they commit the crime, they should be punished normally by the american penal system. But that sort of thing has to be handled on a person-to-person basis. You have a bad bad habit of generalizing people with every statement you make. Do you even realize it? Probably not. But go back and read your own posts and then drink some gasoline because I would choose to befriend a satan worshipping identity thief of all foreign origins before you, you haughty haughty man. You have used your excellent grasp of complex economical issues to turn my compassion into a sin. Shame on you, man. By the way: I cut my own grass. And when I don't feel like it, I deliberately and happily overpay my neighbor's son to do it for me. Thanks for generalizing me by suggesting that I underpay some immigrant to cut my grass. You just helped prove that you are a fool.

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Where to begin Clockwork....

Well how about here?

Clockwork, "The truth is, I don't have the answers. All I have is compassion."

Silly liberal... All you need is love...

Two points:
1. You only have compassion for those who agree with you. You've been calling me a racist for three weeks now and can't site ONE DAMN statement I've made that was racist. All of this bacuase I had the nerve to disagree with your asssine position.
2. Shit in one hand, love the other and see which fills up first. If you don't have answers that is fine but you must at least have some IDEAS!!! I guess stating them would take too much time away from your namecalling.


Clockwork, "And once again, I don't suggest that we give people money. I do suggest that those willing to work be allowed to live here. I'd gladly see you deported in exchange for an immigrant who does not fear others."

Clockwork, if we allowed EVERY poor person on planet earth who was willing to work to come here we'd have roughly 3 BILLION people vying to get in. It doesn't take John Maynard Keyes (a prominent economist since you seem ignorant of economics) to realize that WE can't afford it. There is absolutely NOTHING racist about pointing out those facts and if I were such a big racist you'd think you'd be able to find at least ONE RACIST QUOTE from me. You can't (I CHALLENGE you to prove me wrong) but don't let that stop you.

Furthermore, you ARE asking that we spend OUR money. Look at health care for example. EVERY SINGLE working or insured American is PAYING some of their money (in the form of premiums or taxes) to pay for health care for illegals. And you say we are racist if we dare complain about it??? That is OUR money and you ARE advocating that we be FORCED to spend it on lawbreakers.

I also love how I should be deported for having the NERVE to express the opinion that we should ENFORCE immigration law. You don't want to deport those breaking the immigration law ONLY those who point it out!! Yeah, there's typical liberal "logic" for you!!!


Clockster, you know damn well that the original line was "I don't HATE Mexicans. I hate illegals". I may have misstyped when I quoted myself the 2nd time but the first quote is still at the beginning of this thread and surely even you could see that the statement is CLEARLY not racist. But don't let that stop you either man!!


Clockwork, "If ANYONE steals anything (including social security cards) they should be punished equally. Personally, I would not offer citizenship to someone who came to this country and stole from one of our citizens."

So Clockwork you are supporting MY POSITION now? Damn near EVERY illegal in this country is stealing identity or benefits!!! If not, they would not be able to stay. Your side, and your former position, was that we should allow them to stay. So how do we PUNISH equally (you and I would be subject to up to two years in prison and a $2,500 fine) when you want to GIVE them citizenship. But then in your second sentence you say you wouldn't offer citizenship to anyone who came to this country and stole. Well hells bells man, I'm confused!!! Which is it? Do you want to punish the thieves (and certainly even you must admit that every single WORKING illegal is by definition a thief since he has to steal identity in order to work here) or give them citizenship. Please clarify and since I know you can't resist I'll even take a few more "labels" if that is what it takes to make you feel good about your lack of an argument!!!

Oh and while you are clarifying and thinking of new epiteths to sling my way consider this. Big business supports illegal immigration because they are able to exploit illegals. They can pay them much less, make them work in unsafe conditions etc and not worry because the illegal won't go to the law. Basically Big Business wants to go back to a time BEFORE unions, minimum wages, 8-hour workdays, OSHA and all the other programs LIBERALS have typically SUPPORTED. If the border is not secured this trend will accelerate.

SO.... do you favor keeping a permanent slave-wage underclass that CAN'T defend itself against employers? If not, then you must secure that border!!!

So Clockster, get out your thesaurus (a fancy book with a list of synonyms for a lot of words), find you some other similiarly non-relevant and unsupported names to call me (racist is so cliched man) and answer the following questions.

1. Should we secure the border for national security reasons (don't want to see a mushroom cloud over Los Angelos)?

or

2. Should we leave the border open and if so how are we going to pay for it?

1. Sure, we should secure the border under terms we dictate. That means we decide whether or not someone is good enough to enter.
2. No, close the borders and see only to our own welfare.
and
3. We should pay for the war instead of feeding the hungry.

4. I know what a thesaurus is. It is a dinasaur with three legs.

5. I'm stupid. You're smart.

I apologize for calling you a racist. Perhaps "insensitive" is a better term.
I may not have the answers, but at least my stance doesn't automatically default to self serving solutions based on fear. So put that in your expensive pipe and pass it to someone who isn't already on crack.

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