So I paid $4.25 for diesel - Page 2

PITBOSS · 05-18-2008, 09:32 PM

The only explanation I've heard is that with our safety standards, cars are heavy. Cars from the early 80's were extremely lightweight compared to what we have now, there was little safety requirements back then.

ssspert · 05-18-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wilthrill

Well not to be a conspiracy guy or whatever but can anyone answer the following question.

As I said above in my first post in 1985 aka OVER TWENTY YEARS AGO there were at least three models of cars that got over FIFTY miles to the gallon and WERE NOT hybrids etc.
The technology is over twenty years old!!!!

Given the current gas prices why hasn't even ONE car company come out with a basic car that got over fifty miles per gallon (or at least re-release the cars that did twenty years ago) and price it fairly low????

Sure it wouldn't be a "family" car because it would be too small but a hell of a lot of commuters might be interested in it as a drive-to-work vehicle. They'd sell a lot of cars so why hasn't ANY of them jumped on the opportunity?

Big oil didn't want it to happen.
Some of the 50+mpg cars are death traps.
As bad as being on a motorcycle.

wilthrill · 06-01-2008, 02:56 PM

OK spert and pitboss you guys say "safety".

That is more of an answer than anyone else has given me. (I've been asking everyone I talk to about this and NONE have even given an answer).

BUT again that was TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO and given the CURRENT state of polymer science a LIGHT car does NOT have to equal an UNSAFE car. The new corvette, for example, is made from some carbon fiber polymer that is super strong and lightweight. I think it's entire body weighs something like 200 pounds and it is "safe" enough for a car that tops out at around 200 mph!!!!!!

So the question still stands.....

Given $4.00 per gallon gas, a car that got fifty miles per gallon and was priced reasonably WOULD sell.

So why aren't ANY of the car manufacturers SELLING that car?

ssspert · 06-01-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wilthrill

So why aren't ANY of the car manufacturers SELLING that car?

Billion dollar question

elmosdad · 06-03-2008, 08:00 AM

gas prices suck big time...riding my bike alot

ssspert · 06-03-2008, 09:06 AM

I was going to sell my motorcycle, because I didn't ride it much anymore, but lately I have been riding it everywhere... except to gigs, and the grocery store.

ambergirl · 06-03-2008, 10:07 AM

I want a motorcycle!! But I'm so short I'd have to have one with three wheels....lol

PITBOSS · 06-03-2008, 08:12 PM

The weight of the cars, epa regulations, trying to please the American consumer, and still turn a profit have all played a factor. Remember, we want big stuff, it's gotta have at least 300hp. Now that the public is begging for efficient vehicles, maybe the manufacturers will do something.

Check out the hydrogen cars that a few of the manufacturers are testing right now. I saw one rig where you have your own filling station at home connected to your natural gas line. That would be cool!

ssspert · 06-04-2008, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ambergirl

I want a motorcycle!! But I'm so short I'd have to have one with three wheels....lol

nope you have young children.
i'm too tall for the one I own, but I make do.

ssspert · 06-04-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PITBOSS

The weight of the cars, epa regulations, trying to please the American consumer, and still turn a profit have all played a factor. Remember, we want big stuff, it's gotta have at least 300hp. Now that the public is begging for efficient vehicles, maybe the manufacturers will do something.

Check out the hydrogen cars that a few of the manufacturers are testing right now. I saw one rig where you have your own filling station at home connected to your natural gas line. That would be cool!

Don't think that natural gas connection would happen.
Natural gas prices have soared as well.
Plus...
The chemical conversion from Ch4 (methane/natural gas) to make Hydrogen is fairly complex, involving, injecting steam (h20) into hot gas (ch4) for "cracking" the h2 molecule off of/from ch4/h20 at a ratio of 5:1+-1-2% the conversion also creates...CO, and C02.

How is creating more hydro-carbons helping the environment? Not much.
Conserving gas is great, ride a horse, or a bike.

For you chem nerds...

A high-temperature thermochemical process using a redox system of metal oxide is proposed for converting CH4 to CO, H2, and C2-hydrocarbons (C2-HCs). Reactions were performed in a two-step redox cycle. In the first high-temperature and endothermic step, methane is reacted with metal oxide to produce C2-HCs and the reduced metal oxide: 2CH4+metal oxide→C2Hn+(4-n/2)H2O + reduced metal oxide In the second step, H2O or CO2 is reacted with the reduced metal oxide to generate H2 or CO at lower temperatures: H2O + reduced metal oxide → H2 + metal oxide CO2 + reduced metal oxide → CO + metal oxide The net reactions are 2CH4 → C2Hn + (4-n/2)H2, and 2CH4 + (4-n/2)CO2 → C2Hn+ (4-n/2)(CO + H2O) A thermodynamic analysis showed that redox systems of Fe3O4/FeO, SnO2/SnO and WO3/WO2 are promising for the two-step process. The redox system of Fe3O4 was experimentally examined. Methane was selectively converted to C2-HCs, H2, and CO by the two-step process using the SiO2-supported Fe3O4 (Fe3O4/SiO2) in the temperature range from 1123 to 1173 K. (1562 to 1652*F) It was found that the high-temperature methane decomposition to bulk carbon was efficiently suppressed over Fe3O4/SiO2. This process offers the efficient endothermic net reaction for converting natural gas to C2H4, H2, and CO with upgraded calorific values, utilizing concentrated solar radiation as the energy source of high-temperature process heat below 1173 K.

What ever happen to solar powered vehicles?
I believe that the hydrogen fuel cell is great alt fuel. It is very dangerous, and right now would be hard to refuel.
Plus there are so many idiots running the streets, people would be blowing up shit left and right.

05-18-2008, 09:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
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PITBOSS Band Whore Join Date: May 2005 Location: Grand Bay Age: 33 Posts: 309 Rep Power: 41	The weight of the cars, epa regulations, trying to please the American consumer, and still turn a profit have all played a factor. Remember, we want big stuff, it's gotta have at least 300hp. Now that the public is begging for efficient vehicles, maybe the manufacturers will do something. Check out the hydrogen cars that a few of the manufacturers are testing right now. I saw one rig where you have your own filling station at home connected to your natural gas line. That would be cool! __________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling" -President Bush 11/07/07

06-01-2008, 02:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
wilthrill Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 825 Rep Power: 46	OK spert and pitboss you guys say "safety". That is more of an answer than anyone else has given me. (I've been asking everyone I talk to about this and NONE have even given an answer). BUT again that was TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO and given the CURRENT state of polymer science a LIGHT car does NOT have to equal an UNSAFE car. The new corvette, for example, is made from some carbon fiber polymer that is super strong and lightweight. I think it's entire body weighs something like 200 pounds and it is "safe" enough for a car that tops out at around 200 mph!!!!!! So the question still stands..... Given $4.00 per gallon gas, a car that got fifty miles per gallon and was priced reasonably WOULD sell. So why aren't ANY of the car manufacturers SELLING that car?

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