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Old 06-07-2008, 06:29 PM
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Yeah the H2 concept is great no doubt... we are too poor to drive that high dollar hybrid.
Not cheap starting at 60 grand...
Po folk will have to drive the 30 mpg kia thats falling apart.
The thing about all this problem is that we have to cut our usage way back.
The prices will come down with the lack of demand.
We'll never see 1.50 a gallon, maybe not even $3.
I want a toyota prius. In the same notion, I want a american made hybrid, but the foreign models are kicking american made cars ass.

Well about demand, a couple of points

1. China and India are coming online rapidly (China for example plans to build 44,000 miles of interstate in the next five years and if just five percent of their population bought a car you are talking about MORE cars than are PEOPLE in America). Even if Americans cut their demand in half (not likely to happen) demand worldwide would still be going up.l

2. If the car manufacturers were offering a car that got 50 mpg (and the technology has existed for a while to do so SAFELY) as opposed to hybrids that get anywhere from 20 to 40 mpg maybe just maybe more Americans would be driving the 50 mpg cars and using less gas.

I guess my main point is that if you drive a hybrid thinking you are saving the environment OR decreasing demand for gas, you are an idiot. If you believe the dirt peoples' spin that pretty much every activity engaged in by man destroys the environment, then you should realize that when you factor in the environmental impact of producing the battery, hybrids have MORE of a detrimental impact on the environment than ordinary gas powered cars. If you think you are saving gas, think again. A 1986 Honda CRX got better gas mileage, by far, than any hybrid production model on the road today.

In my opinion, hybrids are a complete waste of time and resources. We'd be better off building some nuclear power plants and running electric cars off of their output or building the best mileage gas cars we can until we come up with some other power source. Hybrids allow people to feel like they are doing something great for the environment when, in fact, they are not.

The long term solution is to got to something other than oil to power our cars. However in the short term we need to produce cars that get better gas mileage and produce more of our own oil.

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Old 06-07-2008, 06:33 PM
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well just me a 50mpg truck/van im good to go lol
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Actually hellyeah, Volkswagon did have a small diesel truck that got somewhere around 50 mpg. Also, my brother-in-law has a Subaru Brat from the late 80's that gets like 42 mpg. It can be done! 50 mpg is not some pipe dream! In fact it HAS BEEN DONE TWENTY FUCKING YEARS AGO!!!!!!

Now, of course there is still going to be a market for SUV's and trucks and not EVERYONE is going to drive a small car but given $4/gallon gas there are a lot of us who would.

Which brings me back to my original question. I'm just some guy living my life who listens to the news. I don't work in the auto industry. If I know this shit you can bet you ass that the car manufacturers know it. The first car manufacturer who markets a reasonably priced car that gets 50 mpg would make a shitload of money.

And yet NONE of them have done so. Why not?

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The oil industry won't let that happen.
They backed huge rebates selling SUV's!!!!
Why should they back track now?


I had a 82 diesel rabbit, and yes it got 50 mpg.
That sucker was so slow, getting on the interstate was a stressful moment.
I kinda wish I still had that piece of shit!

The last 2 days I worked I rode the motorcycle, and got wet.
Weds afternoon, hit a t-storm going home...not a big deal...I was on my way home.
Thursday morning going to work when I hit it I knew it wouldn't last long.
So I decided to speed up to get out of the rain, besides the rain stinging my legs, getting wet, and the rain being so cold that it would take your breath away, by the time I realized it I was going 110...didn't back off because I wanted to dry out before I got to work.
Sure enough the rain only lasted a minute or so, but I still was soaked when I got to work...no clothes to change.
Stopping to put on rain gear takes more time(and probably get soaked doing so) than just riding through it, of course if you don't mind being wet...
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well yeah i want a truck/van haul gear in and get decent milage be it 40 or 50mpg but leave it to the government to mess it up
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Like spert's slow VW rabbit (50hp), take a look at the horsepower #'s on that CRX, I'm sure it's low compared to whats on the road today. My VW which gets 50mpg only has 90hp. Yet, still takes me where I need to go, I've even had it up to 95mph before I think hp is also a big factor in efficency. Hopefully Detroit will get something on the market and maybe I can afford a used one 5 years down the road.

Spert, thats cool that you're riding the bike to work. I could tolerate a little rain, If only they had covered parking at work... can't leave my bike rotting in the weather.
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Like spert's slow VW rabbit (50hp), take a look at the horsepower #'s on that CRX, I'm sure it's low compared to whats on the road today. My VW which gets 50mpg only has 90hp. Yet, still takes me where I need to go, I've even had it up to 95mph before I think hp is also a big factor in efficency. Hopefully Detroit will get something on the market and maybe I can afford a used one 5 years down the road.
thats cool
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Like spert's slow VW rabbit (50hp), take a look at the horsepower #'s on that CRX, I'm sure it's low compared to whats on the road today. My VW which gets 50mpg only has 90hp. Yet, still takes me where I need to go, I've even had it up to 95mph before I think hp is also a big factor in efficency. Hopefully Detroit will get something on the market and maybe I can afford a used one 5 years down the road.
actually wish they would do something
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laffin just need to invent a 500 hp car that gets 40mpg lol
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laffin just need to invent a 500 hp car that gets 40mpg lol
The hp would have to come from actual horses
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