Making It Better: A Serious Topic For Serious Local Supporters and Musicians - Page 3

Razz · 06-12-2007, 01:44 PM

I think I'll have to agree with you, Alex.

R0XY · 06-12-2007, 01:46 PM

Does anyone know if they still have that Harley Outdoor Theater over off Cedar Lake Rd.?

clockworkengine · 06-12-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alex 101

hate to say it, but alot of musicians around here don't have alot of ambition. everyone that's posted on here have made logical suggestions for promotion, but i don't see too many people bothering to take the advice.

Thank you, Alex, for being truthful here. One of the central points of my idea is that there is no local interest. No matter what we do, people around here are too busy to go catch local shows. They've got lives, kids, jobs... rock shows play only the smallest part in their lives, if any at all. It's time we all wake up and see the truth, and that truth is that no one here is listening. No one will be listening. CPR is playing classic rock. Why? Because the demographic has changed. What do you think caused that? And what bearing does that have on our local scene? Ask yourself these questions.

Razz · 06-12-2007, 01:52 PM

Rox, I haven't seen anything going on over there in a long time music wise. And a lot of the land has been sold off. I don't know how much, and not sure if the land that was sold ever belonged to Harley Davidson or not. but nothing has been happening lately.

xush · 06-12-2007, 02:05 PM

and I'm sure you guys are aware of the reality of the big picture-
that in all these other cities/regions, there is a thread on their local music messageboard just like this one. Well, perhaps not so well-written as Ron's, but you know what I mean. Everyone's trying to break out of their local scene because it's dead.
Anytime I go to other boards to search for contacts or make friends, I run across similar sentiments. It's very frustrating

alex 101 · 06-12-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by clockworkengine

Thank you, Alex, for being truthful here. One of the central points of my idea is that there is no local interest. No matter what we do, people around here are too busy to go catch local shows. They've got lives, kids, jobs... rock shows play only the smallest part in their lives, if any at all. It's time we all wake up and see the truth, and that truth is that no one here is listening. No one will be listening. CPR is playing classic rock. Why? Because the demographic has changed. What do you think caused that? And what bearing does that have on our local scene? Ask yourself these questions.

you hit a good point ron, the demographics have shifted. even though they play new music, they still play stuff from when i was 16. not that i mind that, but i would hardly call cracker's low from 1995 new. there is a market for music here, but you have to take the intiative to try to do it like the big boys on a smaller scale. make it an event.

Razz · 06-12-2007, 02:09 PM

I still say it's a matter of making your show intrestng enough (and advertise enough) for the average person out there to WANT to see your show. Advertising to your friends and family is great and they might be able to bring a friend or two along. But once they buy all your shirts and cds, then what? I would say a band's focus (obviously besides trying to play the best musicaly as they can) is capture new fans! Get someone who has never been to your show before! And if you see faces you don't know, play the best you possibly can so this person will say, "Wow, they rock!" Rather then them try to talk louder to the girl they are trying to hook up wiht.

clockworkengine · 06-12-2007, 02:20 PM

Razz, but you could talk all day about how interesting it will be but how will you prove that? Gotta get the people there first! And what's more, Alex, how many big events featuring local unsigned bands do you think people will be interested in? How long before they're like, 'Hey look, honey, another big festival featuring bands we couldn't give a rats ass about!'

It's a dead end. Once again, no local support. But if we garnered some national interest... and that's not even considering the fact that when you tour there's no telling who you'll end up playing in front of. Save your advertising money. Let your record label pay for that after you get signed. Use that money for a tour! And I'm talking about touring over and over and over and over again.

Razz · 06-12-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by clockworkengine

Razz, but you could talk all day about how interesting it will be but how will you prove that? Gotta get the people there first! And what's more, Alex, how many big events featuring local unsigned bands do you think people will be interested in? How long before they're like, 'Hey look, honey, another big festival featuring bands we couldn't give a rats ass about!'

It's a dead end. Once again, no local support. But if we garnered some national interest... and that's not even considering the fact that when you tour there's no telling who you'll end up playing in front of. Save your advertising money. Let your record label pay for that after you get signed. Use that money for a tour! And I'm talking about touring over and over and over and over again.

What I ment, and maybe I didn't make it clear enough, was to advertise a damn fun and intresting show. Not just saying this is Us and we will be there at 10 pm, $5 to get in...Capture the eye.

And the thing is, as a musician you are too busy perfecting your music and your show...what you need is someone ELSE to do that for you.

Touring is fine and good...But what about the bands that have kids and wives and full time job that they have to pay the rent with? In my OPINION stay home first, and advertise. AND THEN, you will make this place so intresting that bands that are touring will want to come HERE instead of ya'll go THERE!

Besides, I'm not going to travel to New York City to see you play, Ron! :P

clockworkengine · 06-12-2007, 02:33 PM

I can't even get you out to skeeters and you live a few feet away!

As for bands with families, I can't presume to tell people what to do with their families. Everything I suggest in this thread is directed solely at musicians who are dedicated to music and consider it their primary career goal. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree.

06-12-2007, 01:46 PM	#22 (permalink)
R0XY Productive GCB Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Gulfport Age: 26 Posts: 1,245 Rep Power: 17	Does anyone know if they still have that Harley Outdoor Theater over off Cedar Lake Rd.? __________________ We're adults. When did that happen? And how do we make it stop?

06-12-2007, 02:20 PM	#28 (permalink)
clockworkengine Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Henry, CO Age: 25 Posts: 391 Rep Power: 44	Razz, but you could talk all day about how interesting it will be but how will you prove that? Gotta get the people there first! And what's more, Alex, how many big events featuring local unsigned bands do you think people will be interested in? How long before they're like, 'Hey look, honey, another big festival featuring bands we couldn't give a rats ass about!' It's a dead end. Once again, no local support. But if we garnered some national interest... and that's not even considering the fact that when you tour there's no telling who you'll end up playing in front of. Save your advertising money. Let your record label pay for that after you get signed. Use that money for a tour! And I'm talking about touring over and over and over and over again. __________________ www.myspace.com/clockworkengine Don't you give me that "Don't you give me that look again" look again.

06-12-2007, 02:33 PM	#30 (permalink)
clockworkengine Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Henry, CO Age: 25 Posts: 391 Rep Power: 44	I can't even get you out to skeeters and you live a few feet away! As for bands with families, I can't presume to tell people what to do with their families. Everything I suggest in this thread is directed solely at musicians who are dedicated to music and consider it their primary career goal. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree. __________________ www.myspace.com/clockworkengine Don't you give me that "Don't you give me that look again" look again.

06-12-2007, 01:44 PM	#21 (permalink)
Razz Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,118 Rep Power: 45	I think I'll have to agree with you, Alex.

06-12-2007, 01:52 PM	#24 (permalink)
Razz Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,118 Rep Power: 45	Rox, I haven't seen anything going on over there in a long time music wise. And a lot of the land has been sold off. I don't know how much, and not sure if the land that was sold ever belonged to Harley Davidson or not. but nothing has been happening lately.

06-12-2007, 02:05 PM	#25 (permalink)
xush Band Member Band Whore Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mark side of the dune Posts: 423 Rep Power: 44	and I'm sure you guys are aware of the reality of the big picture- that in all these other cities/regions, there is a thread on their local music messageboard just like this one. Well, perhaps not so well-written as Ron's, but you know what I mean. Everyone's trying to break out of their local scene because it's dead. Anytime I go to other boards to search for contacts or make friends, I run across similar sentiments. It's very frustrating

06-12-2007, 02:09 PM	#27 (permalink)
Razz Productive GCB Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Age: 29 Posts: 1,118 Rep Power: 45	I still say it's a matter of making your show intrestng enough (and advertise enough) for the average person out there to WANT to see your show. Advertising to your friends and family is great and they might be able to bring a friend or two along. But once they buy all your shirts and cds, then what? I would say a band's focus (obviously besides trying to play the best musicaly as they can) is capture new fans! Get someone who has never been to your show before! And if you see faces you don't know, play the best you possibly can so this person will say, "Wow, they rock!" Rather then them try to talk louder to the girl they are trying to hook up wiht.